Game #1017 Tournament game#14 | Round 1 : 2019 PBEM Duel Tournament #14
redrum68
vs
marcuspers
Match Details
| Played: | 2019-08-07 |
| Rating | 2 - Nice Game |
| Amount of Humans: | 2 |
| Kind of Report: | 2019 PBEM Duel Tournament |
| Kind of game: | PBEM |
| Game-value: | 43 |
| Result | Player | Classes | Races | Team | Points | Extra Points | Missed Points | Quitter | Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | redrum68 | Dreadnought | Orcs | 1 | 45 | 22 | 0 | here | |
| 2 | marcuspers | Dreadnought | Elves | 2 | -18 | 0 | -20 | here |
Written by marcuspers
Maybe need to be edited by the same person who initially reported the game or an admin.
Anyway, I played Orc Dreadnought and redrum High Elf Dreadnought.
Written by Hiliadan
Confirmed by redrum68
It's already a win for you, I updated it.
Written by Hiliadan
I just loaded it up and ended my turn. You could have just skipped my turn since you are surrendering.
I will simply surrender when its my turn and we dont delay the tournament any longer.
Good game.
So please consider for now you have at least +4 days, so that goes up to 2019-09-01 10:22 PM.
Here is the protocol:
1/ AFTER the deadline, the strategic turn is played until the last player in the turn order
2/ that player plays his turn, saves & quits, copy the save game to a backup folder
3/ that player re-enters the game and surrenders, then takes screenshots of all the scores (general, domain, research, military, happiness) . He does NOT end the turn. Instead he quits the game without ending the turn.
4/ he sends the screenshots to (regular and temporary) judges (Fluksen, Jonny Thunder and me)
5/ judges check the scores and take a decision
I think Marcus is the last player in the turn order?
The timer is still on and only has a few hours left for Marcus's turn. I was gonna turn it off but appears I can't now? I'm leaving for vacation soon so probably won't be back online for a few days.
We, the judges, had some discussions about if the video is an adequate proof or not. Just to clarifiy: in the majority´s opinion the video per se is adequate but since you were instructed to play in debug mode and did not do it, we could not accept it without debug log. So, we agreed that it must be a warning without proof.
As a heads up, I'm going to be on vacation this weekend as its a holiday (Labor Day) in the US so probably won't be able to play my turn during that time.
marcus should have de-activated the timer after your message on 26/08 and not played his turn 26. We'll discuss that with judges... Now it's problematic because we would need a double revert to come back to your turn 26.
We usually don't allow reverts and it might not even be technically possible to do 2 reverts (in my experience, it sometimes does not allow reverts beyond 1).
So... please continue the game. You don't need to send us the video for the turn since the turn of the reload was skipped (but please do record it, just like the others, and please do activate debug mode).
Hopefully the match can end without other issues...
1. That my turn was skipped. I believe this was because Marcus forgot deactivate the timer so it skipped my turn 26.
2. That it was then my turn 27 which I believe means Marcus then played his turn 27 after my turn skipped.
3. That the turn timer paused because all turns were skipped and guessing this happened because it was gonna skip my turn again.
Not sure how many turns were skipped and if it was only my turns or Marcus's turns as well. From the PBEM games menu, it appears its turn 27 my turn which would seem to confirm the above and my turn 26 was skipped and Marcus played his turn 27. My guess is the timer paused because it was about to then skip my turn again since Marcus hadn't deactivated the timer.
Or are we still on turn 25 of redrum (the one which crashed)? So the turn reverted itself back to 25 before marcus could play his turn 26?
In theory this "auto-revert" happens only when all players in the turn skipped his turn so it looks like it bugged.
If we are in the situation where marcus did not play the turn after the crash of redrum and the "reloaded" turn was skipped, @redrum: please play that turn and record as requested before.
Dont know if redrum tried make his turn or what, but i made my turn last night 18.42 and today at 19.06 this comes.
So seems he missed a 2nd turn and server paused the game automatically.
Seems like a glitch, as this forces a new turn for redrum, despite missing another turn.
With that said, the timer only expired after Hiliadan answered once again, and 3h after your stated playtime.
Can I just play my next turn or do I need to wait? I'm fine with just skipping that turn at this point.
The save thing is not a judge requirement, it's just an advice since you seemed concerned you would crash again.
And the reason why you got a warning was made clear 3 days ago: not playing with debug mode while it was requested.
I'm not stalling the game and don't appreciate you accusing me of doing so. We are further along in a few weeks than some of the games were over 2 months. And really besides the times where you've given me warnings without proof and taken a long time to judge them, we've played at a pretty good pace.
You didn't make things clear on what the expectations to avoid future warnings without proof or best way to continue the current turn. Now you have added to make sure to replay the exact same moves and save before the battle which both make sense but you can't expect me to read your mind.
There is no way I can memorize 15-20 minutes of moving units around the map... so will need to be switching between the recording and playing the map. I really wish the PBEM would do some sort of iron man autosave either after each action or at some time interval to avoid having to replay the whole turn.
Not having the debug mode is a sufficient reason for giving you the warning without proof and I clearly asked you to continue playing and explicitly said I posted now so that you can continue.
Finally, something I forgot to post before: can you please of course replay the exact same moves? And record it to prove it.
Regarding the current turn, as much as possible try to memorize your previous moves to replay them. If you play in windowed mode as you do, there should be no crash. If you have a crash before the end of replaying your moves, that won't be an issue. Once you've completed the previous moves and before the fight, please save & quit so that we're sure you don't have to replay that in case of a crash (very unlikely).
I also would like clarification on the expectations for finishing the current turn since its already crashed once and there isn't any way I can turn debug on as it will cause an error. But by trying to rewatch the recording to perform the exact same moves, recording the turn, and playing the game, that will be a lot of window switching on a turn that has already crashed once so want to be clear what the expectations are to provide proof for this turn and turns moving forward if it would crash again.
If you can please deactivate the timer til we get clarification on the above from the judges that would be appreciated.
Sorry again for the delays and hopefully we can continue soon.
Please try play within the 24h that we are supposed, we will wont likely not finish the game and delaying the game without reason results in a malus in the score.Â
Written by Hiliadan
redrum, please make sure to activate debug mode after this turn, it is critical.
You can continue. We're also discussing a potential extra time to compensate for this further judging time, more on this later (probably tomorrow).
Written by MARKYMARK
I'm sending a message to Jonny and Fluksen (temporary judge for your game) about the crash of redrum.
Written by Hiliadan
So the deadline for you is 2019-08-28 10:22 PM GMT+3.