Game #787 Tournament game#60 | Round 8 : 2017 PBEM Duel Tournament #60
Hiliadan
vs
marcuspers
Match Details
| Played: | 2018-06-02 |
| Amount of Humans: | 2 |
| Kind of Report: | 2017 PBEM Duel Tournament |
| Kind of game: | PBEM |
| Game-value: | 47 |
| Result | Player | Classes | Races | Team | Points | Extra Points | Missed Points | Quitter | Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Hiliadan | Warlord | Tigrans | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | here | |
| 2 | marcuspers | Archdruid | Humans | 2 | -10 | 0 | -20 | here |
787 | Age of Wonders 3
EDIT: ah, looks like I posted just when you finished your turn
What mistake? hehe
(I don't understand the reference of Christmas though, we are in the summer months?
@Marcus: sorry, couldn't finish the turn today, lacked time. But I'll finish it tomorrow morning, basically only lacking the recording.
The official countdown says 15 days (25th of May is the deadline), but we didn't start until the 28th of March.
We are doing roughly 1 turn per day, never more, and sometimes less.
With current pace we will reach turn 35-39 which might be enough to finish the game, but also a high probability that we don't.
I've 2 days of business trip planned 16-17th of May where I wont be able to play on my Windows computer.
If we get an extension for the time between 12-22nd April where I couldn't play my turn, that would probably bring us over the finish-line (just!).
In the meanwhile try to speed up the pace as much as you can, deadline is near and while we are discussing an extention as always I'd like games to finish in time and avoid deciding them on score
I read all Messages and watched the Videos (except the 50 min Video on Marcus´ PC, took just glimpses there)
For me they are all restarts with proof - we all know such Videos never can be used at court, but in Terms of a PC game tourney, they are sufficient
My Suggestion would be to play your turns on your PC - at least the ones with naval battles.
AFAIK, you only had this Problems on water-based fights?
Maybe you can get another smart Laptop for faster turns
I can play my turns, and record in full, but I leave it to the judge/s to decide if I should play my turns or wait until I'm back on Saturday morning.
Same message is sent to Fist in a PM.
"Yes, and actually it's only 1 warning with proof (+ 1 without proof) because the 3rd reload was requested by us to be able to launch in debug mode."
Switching computer to play the turn, or launching a turn in a different mode, should be considered the same as it will both trigger the same warning.
Fist have shown some unwillingness to self assign extra judges, so maybe we both ask 1 person each to be an extra judge for our match, even if it's not our responsibility. I feel sorry for the extra judges though, reviewing hours of material - if that is what you want. There is videos of each crash, so it's not "hard" to judge.
Regarding your comment: "Do you have proofs for the 4 reloads?"Â
At each crash Fist have given the go ahead to replay the turn, and that wouldn't be the case if it was considered without proof - as that would render a DQ - see rule 4Â (If no proof of a justified crash or in case of repeated reloading (during one match or during the tournament as a whole), the judges have full power to disqualify the player.)
I'm recording my turns in full on my Windows computer now, and so far so good, no crashes, so it's likely the problem lay with the Mac compatibility at naval battles.
But I agree a "judging" by 2 new people would eliminate any doubt you may have.
And I'm a bit unhappy with the fact that Marcus was able to see scores.
On my side, I didn't watch any of the videos or the screenshots to try not to get any strategic information that can affect the match.
Going to load my turn then...
But it was horrible to play, took such a long time for each move!
I will upload the video to YouTube and share with the judges (its 52min long so whoever will watch it, enjoy!)
So in summary, 4 restarts before the revert, 1 restart after the revert to switch computer.
With my calculations, that would be 4 restarts with proof and 1 forced restart to play on a different computer.
I will let Hiliadan or Fist update the spreadsheet with the restarts.
Basically saying that its nothing they can do at this time, as the error/issue is likely needing a patch and more investigation to be solved. They do mention that there might be an issue with the mod used, and that the save can be corrupted, but it's unlikely. Since Hiliadan did revert the turn and I started "fresh" that could also be fixed, but seems stupid to try a 4th time at the same site, with the same computer.
But with your permission I will load the turn on my Windows computer (another ironman notification) and try the same battle again (obviously recorded).
Message from devs:
If the workaround doesn’t work then it is most likely something that would require a patch to be uploaded. This is quite some overhead for the devs, and it’s extremely busy for the devs right now (for still secret reasons) which makes it unlikely that it can be looked at in short term.
As for the question where the PBEM save gets “corruptedâ€: technically yes, but practically it’s unlikely. In case of doubt there’s functionality to revert a turn and then continue from one turn before. But I am pretty sure this PBEM save is not corrupted.
However, in case that you have mods active in that PBEM then it is definitely possible that the save-game is not compatible anymore due to reasons such as a mod got updated or changed otherwise. It could explain the crash, but it’s hard to tell without a thorough investigation.
So, I reposted in the topic on Triumphs forum (on Friday and yesterday), and was hoping for some advice/support, so that we could go ahead with the proposed solution (3. Ask devs for more feedback and solution). Maybe wait another day, but in the meantime:
The second best solution, in my opinion, would be to try play the turn on my Windows computer (proposal 4).
Since we already wait a long time to continue the game, maybe we can accept Fist ruling on this, and if problem continues you have to appoint 2 judges. Hellbrick, AIX, Xlnt, Skuns, Blackwill, Gladis are all good options (even though I eliminated 2 of them, so there might be some bad blood
"1. If 1 or 2 of the judges are involved in the game which needs arbitration, the 3rd judge should name two temporary judges to replace them for this arbitration."
Ok, then let's hope the devs can suggest another solution to Marcus.
I see little point in trying the same thing for the fourth time hoping something changes.. and skipping fights cannot be a solution as it penalizes Marcus too much, what if this issue happens again in another battle?
If you want to appoint another couple of judges go ahead
As I suggested earlier by PM, I think it would be necessary for matches when 2 judges are involved and that are a round 8 match (so "more important" than round 1 matches) that additional judges are nominated temporarily, as planned by the rules. That would apply also for round 9 for whoever fights gabthegab, we would need to have a 3rd judge I think, because the consequences are much more important on the result of who win the tournament (or ends up 2nd or 3rd).
There is a few possibilities as I see it:
1. I skip the battle where the game crashed 3 times
2. I try replay the turn in the exact same way as the first 4 times.
3. Wait for developers to give feedback on the crash report/log and provide other solutions.
4. Play the turn on a different machine.
5. Surrender again.
Could you please send me the turn again so that I can see the score, etc. ? I did not open the turn before I reverted (in case it was possible to continue playing).
4 crashes in the same turn, 3 at the exact same place. If I have to skip sites to play the game, then it's not really worth playing is it?
Sorry for you that it ends like this, it's not really what I had in mind for our match.
We can still revert the turn and replay that turn.... ?
Maybe our game got corrupted somehow.
The final crash:
https://youtu.be/bYEOt4mzDXY
2nd to last crash
https://youtu.be/KruJv1CF_a0
3rd to last crash
https://youtu.be/NOikeozTGnQ
4th to last crash (application not responding)
https://youtu.be/HIY6QsvI_oE
Oh well, good luck in the next game Hiliadan.
3 crashes and counting, just to be 100% clear.
Hi marcuspers1,
Thanks for the detailed report.
One thing you can try that should work around the crash:
1) With the Finder navigate to: /Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/AoW3/
2) Create a new folder: Config
3) Create a new file (in Config folder): Game.cfg
- Path should now be: /Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/AoW3/Config/Game.cfg
4) Edit Game.cfg with a text editor and in in the first line write: SHADER_SIZE=2
5) Save file as plain textÂ
If this does not resolve the crash, then send a save game from before initiating combat to:Â aow3support@triumphstudios.com
Can try this?
Other PBEM games have been possible to play. Also in the Top 8 game I had a crash after a naval battle (coincidence?) but was able to do the same battle successfully after the crash, not such luck here.