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Game #472 | Duel Tourney Final match #3

Skuns453Lirik902 vs  Fistandantilus


Match Details

Played:2017-02-27
Rating 2 - Nice Game
Amount of Humans:2
Kind of game:   PBEM
Game-value: 43
Result Player Classes Races Team Points Extra Points Missed Points Quitter Rate
1 Skuns453Lirik902RogueHumans228140here
2 FistandantilusArchdruidTigrans1-140-20here
Posts to the game:
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Confirmed by Fistandantilus
I did that, few turns ago I captured one of his cities in the s/e corner (UG) I had planned to be a hub to summon stuff, and I had a stack of dedicated cave crawling units marching towards him in the UG.

Still it's a long way, it takes about 15 turns for me to reach his core cities taking the underground route while his units near my capital can get back in 5 or 6. I should have pressed more in the middlegame I think, now the gap mobility wise is huge.
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Written by Hiliadan
What about going UG to cross?
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Confirmed by Fistandantilus
There is nothing to say, the random generated map had a stream of impassable water going north to south effectively cutting the map in half except for a small gap in the south, this is why the game went so deep without basically any significant battles at all (except the one skuns mentions when I killed his leader).


Anyway as a tigran druid I have a grand total of zero flying/floating units (well I guess I can win the lottery and summon a Gryphon every now and then..) so the impassable water is a real barrier I cannot cross at all.


Skuns on the other hand is rogue and the only dwelling procucing flying units is on his side of the map. He can easly cross the water with crows, succubi, shadow stalkers and faeries and that's what he constanly did.

The turn before my surrender he captured one of my core cities with a stack of faeries and stalkers, I tried to get it back with three stack of random units (mainly sunguards) and they all got slaughtered without inflicting any damage (which was kinda expected actually)


Yes, I had still lots of units and I could have easily recaptured the city in a couple of turns bringing back one army but it's pretty meaningless at that point as he can simply retreat and camp on impassable water just outside my capital forcing me to keep a huge garrison there just in case.
I, on the other hand, cannot fight back as his units are untouchable, it will just become a 'wait until the critical mass is reached' game I'm not interested to play. <smiletext0>

To me, maps with such features are a problem but kudos to skuns for the victory.
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Written by Hiliadan
Seriously guys? The score was so close, I don't get what happened to let Fistandantilus surrender? A report! a report! the people call for a report!
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Confirmed by Fistandantilus
Confirmed by Fistandantilus
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Confirmed by Skuns453Lirik902
Victory
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

472 | Age of Wonders 3
Match has been reported, please confirm!
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Match has been reported, please confirm!
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Wow! Congratz Skuns! I hope we have a more detailed report!
So I'm going to publish an article with the interview of Fistandantilus soon. I'm going to create the game for the final.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I stopped caring when you started mocking me :p Go and take Revenge on Gab.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Fist
It's not fair from you to surrender so soon <smiletext6>   We have no any massive battles :'( (excepting of my defeat when you have organized an ambush for my leader   ). I was hoped to beat your Horned Gods in open battle 
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Congrats on your victory and good luck with gab!
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Fist
Hi
I have to inform you that I will be on vacation from 22 till 26 of February. I'll try to play my turns as soon as I can but more likely that I will have no internet connection. 
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Ok... so we discussed with Mark and even though that really makes us unhappy, we think we have no choice but to give a final warning to Fistandantilus. We do not believe there is any cheating involved but we cannot create a "precedent" and let other people say in the future "I am in the exact same situation as Fistandantilus, so why do you give me a final warning and you didn't to him?".
I still hope that the devs will be able to somehow tell us if they see something on the server that shows there was an issue on their side but it's unlikely and anyway won't happen before next Monday.

So, what I propose: Fistandantilus now runs in debug mode for this tournament game, which should help if the bug happens again, and you continue like that.
Except if there is an issue of "corruption" of the game file or something specific to the computer/game, it is very unlikely that the bug happens again... so hopefully you'll be able to finish without issue.

Sorry about that!
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Just to clarify I'm not talking about uploading at the end of turn but downloading at the start of it.

Sometimes when I hit 'play' the download doesn't even start (progress bar is stuck at 0%) and I'm pretty sure I can wait hours without it getting anywhere, I just hit cancel and then play again and it downloads in a few seconds.

As far as I know I have no connection issues, I always play my tourneament turns on my home pc and never had a crash either.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Hiliadan
I'm just saying, that I have 2 different cases.
1.My upload try to start and stopped at 0%? and it takes some period of time when nothing happens (upload screen yet opened and still 0% of upload). If I press the button "Cancel (upload)", then I am almost certain that I will get Ironman notification in this case. Though may not get it  
2. My upload was failed and there appears another screen with the message about it. And there is only button "Exit" (on Russian or something like that). When I press this button, I never didn't get yet Ironman notification. 
So, when I have to choose between 1. X% and 2. 100% non-receiving Ironman notification, obviously I will choose №2 
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I very very regularly have upload issues where it goes up to a certain point then AoW3 loses the connection with the server and stops the upload and I need to cancel. It happened to me to get Ironman notification in that case but if I remember correctly, that never led to Ironman notification.

But here we're just checking if Fistandantilus had connection issues recently because it seems it might be causing the bug with the "notification on 1st load", but I don't think there is anything to do on Fistandantilus' side. It's Triumph who needs to change the way the server deals with connection issues on the client (or server) side so that it does not trigger Ironman notifications...

We're waiting a bit to see if Triumph gives an answer. Another such issue should be reported by Imperium very soon so I hope they say something.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Fist
I've turned off the turn timer again. <smiletext6> 
You wrote: "although sometimes the download halts at 0". Did you mean the upload of your game-session (after you've played your turn) to the PBEM-server? Or the download new turn from the PBEM-server?
If it was the download - I can't say anything. Even with my poor internet channel my downloads of sessions happens well.  Except in cases when it occurs disconnection from the server :'( But it happens before I'm trying to download any session
If it was the upload then I have faced with similar problem. 
You wrote: "I have to cancel it and restart over". Here you mean that, when the upload screen appears, you can see the upload line at 0% and nothing else happens? And you cancel this screen before the message about upload failure will appear? I've got Ironman notification in such situation couple of times (I didn't wait the results of the upload). And now, when it seems the upload will fail, I have to wait :'( for some period of time for the message about the upload failure  

P.S. Also maybe you should check your ports of the PC (open/close) for AoW3-servers? Is it possible that some ports may closed recently (after some PC changes, software installation, etc.)?
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Let's wait a bit to see if devs answer.
Debug mode is pretty simple and does not really change anything (except for 2 mods, I don't know why, the Hero Profession and Racial Heritage, which do not allow to run in debug mode if you want to play a PBEM game with other people not on debug mode). You just activate it in "Miscellaneous" in the launch window.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

According to the mail was ready at 18:24, tried to play at 20:13.
No known internet issues, althoug sometimes the download halts at 0 and I have to cancel it and restart over. I'm pretty sure it didn't happen when it gave me the IM warning tho.

You want me to continue playing in debug mode? I'll have to learn  how to do that.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Fist
I agree with Hiliadan - you shoudn't surrender. I want win in fair battle  or lose   :'( such a worthy opponent :ninja:
But you are so lucky again   Good defensive position.  And you've almost lost  your leader in the battle for mystical site at UG (near the cavern to the surface), but you didn't   The succubus had pity on your leader   
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

It's quite weird, it does seem to mean that some games get "corrupted" or something and that notifications appear more often on them. I don't think you should surrender, that would be a shame. + it would waste an opportunity to try to solve this bug.
Could you please always run in debug mode when you play this game now?

Do you remember when you try to download the turn and when it was ready? And I guess you are playing on the same computer as usual? You didn't have connection (wifi?) issue recently?
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

And I got another IM notification as soon as I downloaded the turn.
I'm sorry, I'd rather let skuns the win and play his rematch against gab at this point as I have no idea what causes it and how to prevent it from happening again.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Yeah, it's the second time overall, never had a reload before this issue.

We're at turn 30 I won't say it's that early..
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Ok, reported to devs.

It's the 2nd time it happens to you, right? The 1st time was on the 2nd round of the Team Tournament but in the end, no "reload" was notified to your opponent by the game server? Because I think I forgot to delete the warning in our summary table, as actually the server said no reload happened.

Decision for this time (after discussion with Markymark): 1 warning for reload not justified by adequate proof. First time it happens on the Duel tournament, you can continue. Skuns, let us know if any issue.

You're still in early turns based on the size of the save, aren't you?
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

ID: 14728
848 Kb

No debug mode, I may start doing that if this becomes an issue
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Hi there! What is the size of the save and ID of the game?
I guess you were not running in debug mode?

I send a PM to Markymark, I'll report the issue to the devs too (each occurrence of this bug must be reported if we want them to take it seriously).
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Fist
Sorry, I've just noticed your message  
Ok, I turned off the turn timer. Will wait judges decision  
As for me, I'm ok do not pay attention for it  As you can remember, in our previous match I got Ironman notification too  But then I had an App-game crash and couldn't do anything to avoid Ironman
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I'm getting an iroman notification on first load. Received email notification the turn was ready at 21:57, tried to open it at 22:01 and says I'm replaying it.

Was I too quick? Dunno but this thing pisses me off to no end, plese remove the timer until Hiliadan tell us what to do, tx.
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Good, if Fistandantilus is ok with map size, you can start.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Fist
Hi. 
I've hosted this session. It named "Duel Tourney Final match #3". Password is 098 . 
There are screenshots of settings: Screen_1, Screen_2, Screen_3, Screen_4
I made only one change compared with the rules - I chose the Tournament map size. If you are not agree then I'll re-host the session 
When the game will start I'll turn on the turn timer and set it for 2 days 
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Good for class/race, you can start after screenshots of settings are posted.

Fistandantilus, please don't forget the interview please. You can make short answers if needed.
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

Good luck to you too! Even if I was hoping to find Gab here
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

To Fist
Hi again, Fist  There is nothing strange that we've met again 
I'm the host again.  So that I will host this session tonight 
I wish you have a good game <smiletext23>
Good luck and have fun <smiletext1>
user
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100

I randomly chosen the host and it's Skuns.
Please send your class/race to Markymark and me and then wait until the main branch of the balance mod is updated to v1.2 on the 31st of January. Then Skuns can host the game, post screenshots and you can start! <smiletext0>

Good luck both! If you can, please make videos!
And Fistandantilus, please answer the interview questions!
Here are the questions:
1/ First a little background on your IRL (if it’s not secret!): where are you from and how old are you?

2/ When did you start playing AoW and AoW3?

3/ Do you usually play AoW3 in single player, PBEM or multiplayer?

4/ How did you choose your combos during the tournament?

5/ What is your favourite class/race and why? With what specialisations?

6/ In your opinion, what are some of the best units by tier?

7/ What was the hardest match you played in this tournament?

8/ What results do you expect for the 3 players in the final phase?
 

9/ Any advice for players who would like to improve?
 
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100
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Replacement Notification
Hiliadan was replaced with Skuns453Lirik902 !
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100
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Duel Tourney Final match #3
See roster here: https://docs.google.com/drawi... />Rules: https://www.the-battlefield.c... />Mod used: PBEM balance mod main branch, v1.2, released on 31 January
Published on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0100
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Information Duel Tourney Final match #3
Fistandantilus joined !!